So on the starboard side we have a multifunction screen with chart plotter which can also display all the data you need for sailing (wind, course, depth etc). The S&S34 AoVS is in the mid 140s so I am surprised at an AoVS in the high 130s.It looked to me from the angle of heel and wide hull they have a lot of form stability. The rig has no backstay with forestay tension coming from the 30 degree swept back spreaders. Love to see your pics and compare notes - firstname.lastname@example.org. www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-12645195/2006-HUNTER-41? Select to expand quotecisco said..Is the Vanishing Point of Stability angle able to be calculated or is a practical stability test the only way to find it ie haul the boat over by the mast? Share your cruising tips with other Jeanneau owners. PM me and I'll show you the ropes and even shout you a beer.Your on. By the time you have finished ticking option boxes and getting comfortable you will have spent at least another $20-25k. You may have to refresh the page on your browser but now the links to the PHRF certification works. Sun Odyssey 36i . As to reducing sail at Force 4 which is 11-16 knots, that sounds like someone's swallowed a Eurozone OH&S risk assessment. There must be 15 now in Sydney split between Pittwater and the harbour. But here is the pole mounted: A couple of thoughts on pole vs factory. But that's for the shoal draft version. 249: 2,024: J51 Experience in more than 3 Lithium Battery by jy51 Jan 12, 2021 12:46:10 GMT: Local Jeanneau … Under sail, you always have a clear view of the headsail whether you choose to helm from the windward or leeward side. Hi GravyThanks for your thoughts and the link to the forum Just a couple of questions if you don't mindIf you were racing it with a full crew (helm, 2 head sail trimmers, main sheet trimmer and forward hand) how does the layout work because looking at the website it looks like the head sail sheets and main sail sheets go back to through clutches to the winches in front of the wheels to make it easy for the person on the helm to reach everything if sailing short handed On his existing boat (Sun Odyssey 33i Performance) the head sail trimmers normally kneel behind the winches and can look at the head sail while trimming and the person on the main sits in the cockpit in front of the wheel and operates the 2 main sheets, (main one and tweeker) and traveller On the 349 it looks like it would be hard for the head sail; trimmers to kneel behind the winches because the wheels would be in the way On the 349 with the optional cabin top winches it looks like you could run either the main sheets or head sail sheets to them Your thoughts would be appreciated Regards Don. The newest addition to the Jeanneau Sun Odyssey line up If the outhaul cleat wasn't on the boom, I would definitely lead it back to the cockpit. Sun Odyssey 35 . Purchase liveable sailboats, and motorboats for fishing, cruising and water sports. Yes - as has been said - horses for courses or each to their own...If your mate has a fair bit of personal yachting experience, he will know what to expect of a potential purchase.If someone has got more money than a bull can sh#t, and if it turns out to not tick all the right boxes, then he will just get rid of it and buy a different yacht.I don't know which category your mate fits into, but a yacht like this will probably do exceptionally well for club racing and ok at coastal cruising as you have indicated the intended use will be. Select to expand quoteNowandZen said..Yes - as has been said - horses for courses or each to their own...If your mate has a fair bit of personal yachting experience, he will know what to expect of a potential purchase.If someone has got more money than a bull can sh#t, and if it turns out to not tick all the right boxes, then he will just get rid of it and buy a different yacht.I don't know which category your mate fits into, but a yacht like this will probably do exceptionally well for club racing and ok at coastal cruising as you have indicated the intended use will be. Having said that, the Dufour 350 would be worth comparing as the two yachts are almost identical. If not, it would make things easier. As to reducing sail at Force 4 which is 11-16 knots, that sounds like someone's swallowed a Eurozone OH&S risk assessment. ?Hi Cisco I don't think that there is anything to be gained by dragging it over by the mast as it would need the mast under water to reach the point where it would want to keep going This is a link with a couple of animations that explains it well sailskills.co.uk/Stability/sailskills_stability_stability_explained_AVS.htmlRegards Don. There is a noticeable resistance from heeling as the aft chine digs in but then there is a sweet spot at which she flies upwind. www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-2698810/1988-OCEAN-60-SCHOONER? Most modern hull forms do use form stability rather than a heavy keel resulting in an AoVS around 115 to 130 degrees. In that size range of modern production boats - 10m overall - which is easily handled by one or two yet capable of taking half a dozen for a day sail, it is the stand-out pick from the other European manufacturers. In the Viola photo, it was blowing about 18 knots true - Force 5 - just a typical Pittwater seabreeze. Jeanneau preowned sailboats for sale by owner. Please Login or Register. Select to expand quoteYara said...The question is whether this would be a good choice for coastal cruising in Tasmania. PM me and I'll show you the ropes and even shout you a beer.Your on. I just fixed it. Force 4 is when we are starting to get interested isn't it? Diesel. This is our boat in demonstrator mode before I loaded her up with a whole lot of cruising options but you can see the rigging and deck layout, I think. Equipment & Commissioning. A single wheel is such a barrier that at some boat shows they even remove the wheel to make the cockpit look bigger. There are also warnings that the boat is liable to capsize or become flooded if carrying too much sail, sail is to be reduced above Force 3. I bought the dealer's demo boat and kept adding stuff until the budget was spent! Unfortunately the ocean surface is not always horizontal. (Reference at page 23 of the owners manual: jeanneau349.com/index_htm_files/Jeanneau%20SO349%20-%20Owners%20Manual.pdf). Select to expand quoteJolene said..I certainly would be most happy with a boat like that, the missus would love the swim platform and ladder, yep,, nice boat Gravy,,, Hopefully my next boat A bit more room in the cockpit than the S&S 34 Jolene. www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-1892391/2008-MILLS-DESIGN-AMBUSH-41-IRC-CRUISERRACER? Welcome and Introductions. Then on the port side there is a small screen for the autopilot and another dedicated to sailing data display. And even if that doesn’t sound directionally correct, it is the trend now in new-boat introductions. This means that the mainsail won't go out all the way so it's quicker to tack downwind than running square. Once again I turn to the wisdom on this forum. But this horse suits my course perfectly and I have no aspirations to cross the Tasman.Back to the stern-on photo of Voila: This was taken during a promotional photo shoot and I was sailing on a parallel course to leeward at the time, higher and faster than the sistership Voila by keeping the windward rudder immersed by half a metre or so. www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-12648647/2002-BAVARIA-44-CRUISER? We ticked a lot of boxes with our purchase and I'm very happy with the final result. Here we are with all of the cruising comforts installed. Looks pretty well finished to me and doesn't interfere with the anchor locker. So, yes, for racing around the cans we have the same data at both helm positions.Reversing doesn't present a problem for me: As you can see, I have got used to steering while standing aft of the wheel where I can easily reach down to operate the throttle lever (hidden behind the rego number in this pic). It was one of the features that I had on my list of essentials when I started my research. Covid 19. Contemporary elegance is complemented by total transparency and seamless space. Jeanneau349.com is an independent website dedicated to the 349. One of my few complaints is that the rear winches positioned near the wheels aren't very comfortable to operate either from in front or behind the wheel. I'm happy to run through the options list if you want me to. This is also why boats of apparently similar angles of vanishing stability can behave differently in heavy seas.IMHO sounds like the design is a good solution if the intention is only the occasional short daylight hop type coastal cruise, but maybe not an ideal boat to do a long trip across Bass Straight.What he said. Select to expand quoteGravy7 said...MorningBird said..Thanks for the info. Is the Vanishing Point of Stability angle able to be calculated or is a practical stability test the only way to find it ie haul the boat over by the mast?? Jeanneau 349. Indeed, horses for courses. The Jeanneau Owners Network provides regular news updates and has an active worldwide owners forum and facebook group. I have my asymmetrical on a Selden GX topdown furler and aside from a dealer lousy installation which was later fixed, it's working great. www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-12286243/2000-HUNTER-46? Hi Don,Thanks, it had to be a good boat as it is going to have to last me at least a decade.Twin wheels are great for opening up the cockpit so that its much more usable when you are by the dock or at anchor. 2020 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349 monohull. For racing I would also recommend the bowsprit option. Our boom vang is also led to a cam cleat on the cabin roof. Not a lot. Performance Tips. But down wind we suffer against anything with an overlapping jib except when the conditions are such that they start rounding up and we stay very nicely on our feet. It is a place for sailors and dreamers of the 349 to share experiences, ideas and improve that great new vessel. Hull 108 - lift keel in the water in Australia. She is a comfortable cruiser, perfect for couples and young families. The trade-off is the extra drag in light winds. Good value, well built and clever design. Please register to the 349 Forum and use the form on the Contact page to send your comments and suggestions. The S&S34 AoVS is in the mid 140s so I am surprised at an AoVS in the high 130s.It looked to me from the angle of heel and wide hull they have a lot of form stability. I would agree if the prudent advice was to reduce sail at Force 5 but normally we wait until Force 6 (22 knots) if we are racing.I'd be happy to have you aboard, MorningBird, before you quit this backwater. Jeanneau used sailboats for sale by owner. but you definitely have more reach with your setup. Boats for sale through the JEANNEAU dealer network. There is a not a lot of purchase but in practice it is an excellent system similar to the Hanse set-up and despite the slightly awkward placement of the aft winches it is easy to get plenty of mainsheet tension even in a solid breeze. Hi Gravy She is a nice looking boat and you should be proud of her and thank you for the information so far A couple of more questions if you don't mind I like the twin rudders but what do you think of the twin wheels I guess the advantage is that you can walk from front to back without having to climb around the wheel but if it had a single wheel like the 331 it would make the rear winches more accessible when racing with a crew Do you have wind speed,direction and boat speed instruments in front of each wheel or only in front of one wheel Also when my mate reverses his current 33I into the berth (pontoons on both sides) he normally stands in front of the wheel facing backwards and the control lever to give her a hit in forward to stop her is easy to access but on the 349 it looks like you would have to stand behind the starboard wheel to be able to reach the leverDo you race her or do you mainly cruise ?Regards Don, I certainly would be most happy with a boat like that, the missus would love the swim platform and ladder, yep,, nice boat Gravy,,, Hopefully my next boat. PBS have been a pleasure to deal with and have done a fantastic job with the commissioning. 19 Sold to Pacific Northwest Sailors! Use of Forum. Hi Don,Yes, you are right. When loaded the AoVS is 131 to 132 degrees. PM me and I'll show you the ropes and even shout you a beer. Jeanneau Owners. And for some extra oomph, a fat top mainsail can be fitted easily without a backstay to get in the way. 654 likes. I would surmise most of them rarely ever venture more than 20 miles from their marina berth. Where are you moored?Don't get me wrong, I like modern yachts and love there practicality for local and coastal cruising.But 250nm into the Tasman in 35-45kts and 6-8 metre swell and sea isn't their comfort zone.Sent you a PM, MB. When I'm halfway upside down it will be something to contemplate! The best point of sailing is upwind where we see off Solings and Diamonds and stay very close to the Etchells and 5.5s. I'm sure you know the feeling.It's interesting how much AVS reduces from 139.2 to 132.5 degrees between 'minimal load' and 'laden'. And push button actuated, she is a real luxury yacht! Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..Gravy7 said...I'd be happy to have you aboard, MorningBird, before you quit this backwater. Sun Odyssey 36.2 . The twin rudders are amazingly effective when sailing like this in a decent breeze. Unfortunately the ocean surface is not always horizontal. www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-3596022/1994-POMPEI-CUSTOM? Just checked the manual and see the high 130s is for an unladen boat. But that's for the shoal draft version. Gentle breeze 7-10 knots.As Cisco says, horses for courses. This is where keel mass stability becomes more important than shape or form stability. Jeanneau + Klubben - Norway ... Sun Odyssey 349 . My boat has the optional cabin top winches and I would recommend them as essential if he is planning to race. Some of the Jeanneau manuals and documentation are hard to find on the web; several manuals and other documents have been sent to me by owners and others for posting here and this page can serve as a partial repository for those items which are no longer on Jeanneau's web site but could still be of interest to owners and others. But this horse suits my course perfectly and I have no aspirations to cross the Tasman.Back to the stern-on photo of Voila: This was taken during a promotional photo shoot and I was sailing on a parallel course to leeward at the time, higher and faster than the sistership Voila by keeping the windward rudder immersed by half a metre or so. Jeanneau Owners Forum. Hi all In my experience of crewing on a Jenneau 33I Performance for the last 3 seasons in winds up to around 50 knots we would normally carry full sails (over size main and head sail) up to around sustained 25 knots and then put a reef in until around a sustained 30 knots when the second reef would go in and the oversize head sail would come off and the original smaller furling head sail would go up and as the wind speed increased the head sail would be progressively wound off The winds down here are changeable in both speed and direction but at no time does the boat feel unsafe A couple of years ago the boat was racing from Port Huon to Cygnet on the River (I was not on it at the time) and a cold front came through (the predicted wind was 30 knots) and the wind went from about 5 knots to 75 knots plus in a matter of seconds (they said it sounded like a train was coming and then hit them) and it laid them over horizontal for a few minutes but the boat happily stayed there until the wind died off a bit and she came up again They managed to get the big head sail off and continued to race into Cygnet doing 13 knots downwind under main alone Some of the boats in the fleet had sails shredded and some of the older very experienced sailors said it was the strongest winds they had ever been in This is a photo of a 42 foot Benneatu on the river at the time after the wind had dropped off a bit A lot of people bag newer flat bottom boats but those onboard were impressed with how she handled the conditions Regards Don, Hi NowandZenStarting price is around $191,000 +++ depending on what option boxes you tick www.boatsalestas.com.au/new-sail-boats-jeanneau/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-349/138308/Regards Don. There are also warnings that the boat is liable to capsize or become flooded if carrying too much sail, sail is to be reduced above Force 3. Concept & Design by Télécam Films. The 349 is the perfect combination of performance, comfort and safety at sea. The best source of information for Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349 sailboats owners Jeanneau Cruising. This won't bother your mate if he is a rich dude, he will just get something else and cop the loss of money.In my opinion, you can get some awesome secondhand yachts for $200k that will give the owner a lot more of a versatile investment.Hi allThe owner is regarded as one of the best sailors in Tassie, 13 Sydney Hobart's and lots of experience racing in Australia and overseas She will be used for racing and cruising in the Huon and the Channel so she should do the job Regards Don, A bit of a simple read on stability, nordkyndesign.com/inverted-stability-once-upside-down/. One of my best results last season was sailing one-up without a reef in 30 knots.But as it is well equipped for cruising, we get away a bit too. Sub-board: Destinations. I'm sure you know the feeling.It's interesting how much AVS reduces from 139.2 to 132.5 degrees between 'minimal load' and 'laden'.